On this show Deanna Spingola and I gave Jew-lover Jone$tein and other Zio-Tards a thorough thrashing, as well as discuss some issues relating to my website, my upcoming book about 9/11 and the Jews who control our world of course.
Print 
PDF
BOYCOTT YOUTUBE (JEWTUBE)
*Prothink Network
Links
Recommended Reading
- Behind Communism by Frank L. Britton
- Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed
- Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler
- Racial Nationalist Library
- Solving 9/11 by Christopher Bollyn
- The Rulers of Russia by Denis Fahey
- Under the Sign of the Scorpion by Juri Lina
- VHO – Holocaust Revisionism
- Waters Flowing Eastward by Leslie Fry
Great interview – the best one to date.
I look forward to the new book.
Also, I like it when you described Germany as a Gulag. No wonder the German Olympic female rower got booted off her team when it was alleged her boyfriend was a right-winger.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1284567-nazi-boyfriend-allegations-causes-german-olympic-rower-to-leave-london
And, of course, Zundel was extradited and thrown in jail for 6 years for speaking the truth.
An awesome show and I am also looking forward to the new book. Thank you Deanna and ZCF!
Wow! ZionCrimeFactory you did more than give the Patriotards a thorough thrashing! You’re were a fact-based hit-man here! This download is a wonderfully stunning broadcast with lots of new information. I’m very grateful. Thank you for your knowledge, investigatory powers, and your masterful help in uncovering the real agenda.
ZCF,
Another awesome interview. So far, you’re batting 1000 – meaning your average is perfect. I guess that’s what happens when you apply sound reasoning to issues.
That is probably the most significant thing that makes you stand out from the crowd. Your ability to reason and apply logic is well demonstrated.
I want to say first that I like Deanna Spignola. So Deanna, if you are reading this, please understand that what I have to say is meant only as constructive criticism towards helping us all in this great battle we are engaged in.
Deanna mentioned “Chemtrails”. She brought them up in the context of what her “eyes” could see. As though somehow she can “tell” that a particular “Contrail” is a “Chemtrail”.
This is simply not possible.
If we are going to discuss these matters, they must be discussed in a strictly logical way – otherwise we run the risk of knowledgeable people kicking holes in the entire argument.
I am not saying that “Chemtrails” do not exist. They do. There are “spraying” programs going on. There are weather modification programs going on. There is research going on.
“CHEMTRAILS”?
If I understand this correctly, there is an assertion by some people that every single white line in the sky is a “Chemtrail”.
That claim is simply untrue.
That claim is definitely untrue and leads people who are knowledgeable on the subjects of aircraft, aviation, atmospherics, weather, physics, chemistry and other disciplines to tends towards dismissing the claimant as unsophisticated.
One of the biggest problems with the folks out there who are critical of the government version of events is their sometimes sloppy and/or unscientific and/or logically unsound claims.
A SCIENTIFIC APPROACH
We need to take a scientific approach to this issue and resist the temptation to artificially elevate a suspicion to the level of fact without sufficient proof.
We need proof to support facts. Facts are events that have definitely and actually taken place, and are distinguishable from a suspicion, innuendo, or supposition.
If you are making a claim – you need to prove it with “proof”. You can’t just say something is true because you said so…or because you think so.
Claims of the existence of widespread “Chemtrails” requires proof.
HOW CAN WE TELL?
There are ways to discern what is going on. One way involves grabbing upper air samples specifically targeting a visible Contrail. This method involves access to an Experimental Category jet aircraft capable of reaching high altitudes that is equipped with air sampling equipment.
The expenditure for such an aircraft might be a bit more than your household budget can handle. But is there any other way to do it?
There is.
REMOTE SENSING
Another way involves a ground based method of remote sensing. It just so happens that there is something called Spectroscopy.
Spectroscopy is the study of the interaction between matter and radiated energy.
Absorption spectroscopy refers to spectroscopic techniques that measure the absorption of radiation, as a function of frequency or wavelength, due to its interaction with a sample.
This means that studying the sun light that is shining through a high altitude vapor trail will reveal the elemental and chemical makeup of that vapor trail.
This method would probably be the most cost effective method for analyzing Contrails to determine what elements are present in the visible vapor trail.
Here is a book on you can use to brush up on the technology:
Standards and Best Practice in Absorption Spectrometry
http://www.amazon.com/Standards-Best-Practice-Absorption-Spectrometry/dp/0632053135
Here is a paper describing Fourier-transform infrared (FTIR) spectrometry for the detection and identification of toxic clouds in the atmosphere.
http://www.tu-harburg.de/mt/ftir/lib/scanningftir.pdf
The above described method would need to be modified to collect data on high altitude vapor trails, but I think it is quite possible to do.
NO MORE UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS
How about if we stop making wild claims without “proof” of those claims?
It will help us all in the long run.
Sound like I know what I’m talking about? That’s because I do. LOL
Thank you for posting this interview ZCF, it was very good. Good luck with the publishing of your book, I look forward to reading it. Just wanted to say Jon Ronson is definitely a Jew. I have one of his books which details his vists to various conspiracy groups around the US and investigates NWO conspiracy theory (It was in this book that he details his trip to Bohemian Grove – interestingly the video footage from BG was “wiped” somehow so he doesn’t have any evidence either). Ronson briefly mentions his Jewish heritage in that book.
Jon Ronson is a jewy little jew jew – a sneaky nebbish . He’s no doubt a millionaire now thanks to his crappy book ” The Men Who Stare At Goats ” being turned into a crappy movie .
David Icke said of Ronson ” I wouldnt trust him as far as I could throw him ”
He’s a sly , sneaky little jewboy . He used to write a column in the jew Guardian about nothing and is a regular on jew Radio 4 , blabbing away insipidly about nothing .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Ronson
Nice work if you can get it .
Pat,
Deanna Spingola knows something about chemtrails. She’s had Barbara Peterson on her broadcast discussing the matter more than once. Deanna was just trying to make a comment on something ZionCrimeFactory was saying, making, I think, a clumsy metaphor.
http://www.spingola.com/chemtrails.htm
I think the name was Rosalind Peterson, not Barbara Peterson who was her guest. http://beforeitsnews.com/events/2012/07/spingola-speaks-72-76-2337749.html
Rosalin Petersen was a “Crop Loss Adjustor”. She spent time looking into the reasons for the failure of crop loss.
She said that in 1998 she noticed that the trees didn’t seem as healthy as they used to be.
Then, she says she looked up in the sky in 2002 and noticed all these contrails.
I have familiarized myself with Petersens “claims”.
To be quite honest, she is attempting to pass of “Suspicion” as “Proof” of “fact”.
Sorry, Epic Fail.
Not only is Petersen unqualified to make the claims she makes, her arguments are terribly, fatally flawed.
Are you actually giving this person credibility?
If you are, I feel sorry for you.
If you want to know how to analyze claims made – I would be happy to lay it all out for you so that you can distinguish these cranks and idiots from the real deal.
The reason why I visit this site at all is because ZCF has demonstrated that he knows how to use his head and refrains from the practice of making wild unsupported claims.
He spends much of his time analyzing information to find fact.
This is useful and helps us all to learn the truth.
Truth is supported by proof. Not suspicion passed off as proof of fact.
Deanna S should set people straight on this whole issue with respect to the actual state of what has been offered as proof of claims relative to Chemtrails.
As it is, I am left unimpressed.
That’s the reason why I generally avoid subjects like chemtrails, the moon landings business, vaccines and stuff like that. I haven’t spent much time researching those subjects and there are people more knowledgeable than myself on those topics who are already speaking about them. There’s not much I could add that would convince anyone either way on those topics.
My expertise is on the Jewish Question so I’ll stick with what I know.
ZCF,
I listened very carefully to how you handled that interview. You are quite the diplomat.
Your strategy was well played.
Going off into onto a tangent would have detracted from the focus of the interview.
Here is what I know.
I know for a fact that you know how to think and how to process info.
Should you decide to focus on the “Chemtrail” issue or even the Moon Landing issue – you will run across information that you will classify according it type. Then, you’ll analyze it. You will come to some sort of conclusion.
And, no doubt – you will come to the right conclusion.
This is why I read your stuff.
the way i figure it, all of these ancillary issues will be cleared up once we , take care of the yid problem. you get the yids out of your money and out of your government , suddenly all of these issues will stop being a problem. as john stadtmiller would say (ha ha ), i want to cut at the roots , and not at the branches. the reason why we listen to the rabbinical broadcasting network is that we can handle the truth. yeh sure.
i noticed they replace spingola on studio A and moved her to B. she said something about it on this broadcast. they replaced her with some fat mormon tard,, paul drockton, who is friends with jefro rense, the tard who makes 500k a year off of the alternative media biz. not bad work if you can get it , i suppose.
HPD,
It would be helpful if someone would post a step by step flow chat of how to classify and analyze information.
This would be a big help to those who are trying to decide on the validity of claims made.
From what I’ve seen, far too many people simply don’t have the tools to perform the required classification and analysis procedure.
In order for our efforts to unseat the Jew to succeed – those of us who are not disinfo agents should agree to adhere to specific standards when dealing with information about Jews and Jewish crime.
If we apply standards of evidence and analysis that are already widely accepted, we can go far towards convincing a skeptical public that what we are saying is true.
As it is, there is no uniform standard. Disinfo agents capitalize on this.
Maybe once ZCF gets done with his present book he can take the lead on this vital issue and post a flow chart on how, exactly information analysis is to be done and how to detect mistake and disinfo.
This is vital to our effort.
A book was published in 2010 called “Blur: How to Know What’s True in the Age of Information Overload” by Bill Kovach and Tom Rosenstiel. Chapter 7 is entitled “Assertion, Affirmation: Where’s the Evidence?” It’s gotten pretty good reviews on Amazon.
Ben,
Please take this with the positive intent I wish to convey.
To date, I have not seen any “proof” of a widespread systematic “spraying” program outside of sanctioned and controlled cloud seeding and experimental programs.
The claims that every airplane that is emitting a vapor trail is in reality “spraying” a “Chemtrail” are not credible. They lack credibility. They have not been supported by proof.
Weak Circumstantial Evidence and Suspicion have been offered as proof.
What it needed is Direct Evidence. This implies sampling.
With all due respect to Deanna – as much as she knows about “Chemtrails” – I know more. Far more.
What I am saying is that we need proof of claims.
The way that the “Chemtrail” issue has been presented so far does little to gain the support of knowledgeable professionals who understand how mere claims do not constitute proof.
This issue is reminiscent of the Holy-hoax tales. On one hand, you had all these Jews who were making claims. Then, investigators ventured forth to gather evidence. A combination of evidence types was assembled ranging from direct evidence in the form of physical sampling to circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial evidence is indirect evidence.
That evidence was presented to the public in the form of books, reports and videos.
Since the evidence was not heard in a court of law – the weight and convincing nature of the evidence was left to the general public.
In court, there are two general standards to which evidence is held in deciding an issue. One is a Preponderance of the Evidence and the other is Evidence Beyond Reasonable Doubt.
In the case of the Holy-hoax tales, the evidence that has been offered in opposition to those lies clearly satisfied the standard of “Evidence Beyond a Reasonable Doubt”. This means that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the Jews are lying about the whole thing.
In the case of the “Chemtrail” issue, I argue that so far the evidence that has been presented to support a claim that there is a widespread campaign or practice (outside of sanctioned weather modification and experimental operations) of “spraying” “Chemtrails” that contain chemicals other than the normal condensation of jet engine exhaust – has not even reached a threshold of what could be called a Preponderance of the Evidence.
The standard called a PrePreponderance of the Evidence is a lower standard to which evidence is held to prove an issue. This preponderance is based on the more convincing evidence and its probable truth or accuracy, and not on the amount of evidence. This standard is what is typically used in civil courts.
So, we need truthful and accurate evidence to prove claims.
The best evidence of “Chemtrails” is direct sampling evidence.
Why hasn’t ANYONE provided this evidence?
I already laid out a way that direct evidence can be acquired from a ground station – and not at great financial cost.
I am not saying that the entire thing is complete bullshit. But if I had to make a decision right now as to whether or not this whole things is complete bullshit – I would say that as of today, based on the evidence – there is insufficient credible proof to support the “Chemtrial” claim.
I know the above post is kind of long and boring. But this is how things actually work.
Pat,
I read you. No, I can say truthfully I don’t put any credence in this Peterson woman. Deanna Spingola has had several guests in her radio studio talking about this very topic over the years. She’s not uninformed. That’s all I was going for (although she may still be ill-informed.)
There was, however, one woman on her broadcast who had a definite scientific bent and background — and can I find her website info on my computer? No! — but she was on the broadcast more than once. She, too, was very cautious about making statements, like you are saying.
The reason she said there needs to be caution is it’s so easy to make fun of the idea and if she’s not careful, her reputation as a scientist would be ruined. She, too, only worked with scientific evidence. She has a website. Deanna Spingola linked it. It was filled with scientific data. (Can I find it? No.) Deanna and her audience was told by this woman to avoid making claims that can’t be substantiated with evidence. To date, she said, there has been no evidence, like you are saying, too, Pat.
The woman did not provide evidence there were such things as chemtrails and wouldn’t even go so far as to state she even suspected there were. She wanted real proof. One reason she said proof is not forthcoming at this time is that it takes a lot of money to do that kind of research and reliable people on the ground to do the sighting and the footwork, with photographers, etc.
In the past, Alan Watt, whom I listened to for more than four years, given me “reason” to have some credence in the idea because he’s talked about chemtrails with great frequency and has even talked about the yellow stuff that lands on the ground near his home in Canada, etcetera. He has or had videos on chemtrails, etc. on his website. I tried reading some of the science involved (not found on his site), but I can’t digest it honestly. It’s way too complicated for me. But Alan Watt did put the “seed” of credence in me. Deanna Pongola’s guests have not made that seed grow, to the best of my knowledge.
So it’s comforting, actually, to understand nobody’s got any evidence just yet. There was one big plane plume directly over my head yesterday when I sat on the beach and I watched it for the longest time. The wind drifted it away swiftly, surprisingly, and I thought, “Hmm.. Can’t be a chemtrail if the wind just blows it away.” There are so many things that worry me, I’m glad to know I have one less worry.
As for the excuse that it takes a lot of money to do the kind of research that would prove the existence of the Chemtrail problem….what is she calling “a lot of money”?
I estimate this could be done for less that 10K.
I bet we could even get some college engineering kids to build up a Telescopic Absorption Spectroscope to do the job – and point the thing skyward. Grab data – analyze data…..and bam. Got the answer.
You don’t need to hire or rent a plane to get the samples, Pat? This can all be done from a spectroscope? If so, maybe the costs could be cut. But prove it! Prove all you need is get some kids to build a Telescopic Absorption Spectroscope and the job could be done – proof one way or the other — under 10K. Hmmmm?
Pat,
The book “Blur: How to Know What’s True in the Age of Information Overload” by Bill Kovach and Tom Rosenstiel (2010) offer these questions to find reliable information:
Identify what evidence is offered and understand the nature of that evidence
Know how that evidence was vetted or tested and whether the countervailing evidence has been explored
Identify what conclusions have been drawn from the evidence (explicitly and implicitly), and whether or not those conclusions are supported
Ask whether this evidence would be used to draw different conclusions
Checklist:
1. What kind of content am I encountering?
2. Is the information complete; and if not, what is missing?
3. Who or what are the sources, and why should I believe them?
4. What evidence is presented, and how was it tested or vetted?
5. What might be an alternative explanation or understanding?
6. Am I learning what I need to?
Pat,
You wrote: “If you want to know how to analyze claims made – I would be happy to lay it all out for you so that you can distinguish these cranks and idiots from the real deal.”
Then you wrote HDP asking him to post ” step by step flow chat of how to classify and analyze information.”
I’ve posted a method for investigating claims that I got from a book, but I strongly suspect you’ve definitely got something to contribute. Care to? Make me happy, and tell me how I can distinguish cranks from the real deal.
Yes, I could help with this.
This is not re-inventing the wheel.
Methods of fact finding exist.
That is what the field of Law is about.
That is what Analytical Science is about.
That is what Mathematics and Physics are about.
The problems begin when Political Science is injected into real science.
Political Science is not science. It is lies. Bullshit. Manipulation.
“The problems begin when Political Science is injected into real science.
Political Science is not science. It is lies. Bullshit. Manipulation.”
Duh! Hence all the problems we’re having filtering the BS to get to the truth! Even here!
I wrote down some pointers, Pat, that came from a book “Blur.” What do you think about them? Too general? Too abstract? Not specific or logical enough? What’s your view?
You could be a Judge too.
I happen to be an expert in certain areas. As a Judge, you do not need to be an expert in my field to Judge my level of competency.
All you have to do is ask the right questions.
Make me prove my competency.
If I can – I will.
Same thing with someone making claims.
Ask them to prove the claims.
If they can – they will.
ZCF, you are so good that I shall forward your website to my Swedish revisionist friends!
A lot of revisionists knows a bit here and there, but to get the hole picture, you have to know all the devilish deeds “they” are doing, and it is actually easy since they are behind EVERYTHING. You know this fact.
Deanna Spingola, Carolyn Jeager, Veronica Clark, John Friend and Charles Giuliani got it also, but the rest is not there yet, but they are learning.
It is not about understanding or intelligence. The problem is that ordinary people have this mental block, that no one can be so bottomlessly rotten, and therefore stops logical thinking.
But, for example, Jim Fetzer (911) has at last overcome his mental blocking, and now says. “It really was the jews”.
Thanks, take care, and beware of the jews!
yeh i don’t know what to think about fetzer. either he is really starting to wake up or he is bullshitting somebody. he does sound sincere however. from the first days i heard him, i always thought he was a hopeless case but it appears i was wrong. i am glad he is coming around. jim, jump on in sir, the water is hot.
Fetzer’s interview with Jeff Prager on April 11 was stellar.
http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim%20fetzer%20real%20deal-jeff%20prager%202012%20april.mp3
http://www.freep.com/article/20120914/NEWS/120914088/Anti-Defamation-League-officials-say-attack-MSU-student-not-hate-crime
oy
The jewish Southern Poverty Law Centre (SPLC) just released:
30 New Activists Heading Up the Radical Right
Its funny that Pam Gellar and Alex Jones are on the list, and ZCF mentioned both dis- informationalists in the interview.
Don Black (Storm Front) and David Duke are also on the list.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/summer/30-to-watch
http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/schaenk.html
she said she is having a guy named mike hanson on her show for a guest. i had to think about it for a while. then i remembered. he was the same tard that got peter shank kicked off radio free austin because he thought peter was too racist and too anti semitic….
spingola , imho, is flying close to the sun. she had better watch her back . i am very surprised she is still at the rabbinical radio network .
high plains drifter,
Deanna Spingola did say sorrowfully to ZionCrimeFactory on the broadcast that she’s been pushed back to “Studio B” starting Monday as a result of one of her broadcasts where she talked too openly about the Jew. I think she knows she received a disciplinary notice from the rabbi.
its weird, but one day several years ago, stadtmiller commented on his show, that he had just had a meeting with two rabbis from new york. nothing more was ever said about it. i heard it though and i remembered it. i always wondered. why would two rabbis fly down from new york to talk to john stadtmiller? oh well.
Yeah … dunno. But by “rabbi” I was merely referring to John Stadtmiller. He banned ZionCrimeFactory from appearing on Deanna S.’s broadcasts and he is the one putting Deanna back in Studio B. Stadtmiller is a Jew and rabbis do oversee their community . . . .
@ Ben
This is bad news and I am sure Stadtmiller will suffer more of a loss than we since we continue to support both Deanna and ZCF.
@SazzyLilSmartAzz,
Thanks. You know, I feel a bit between a rock and a hard place. One commenter here says he’s withdrawn his contribution to RBN as a result of these events, but Deanna Spingola’s broadcasts can’t be obtained if you miss one unless you pay an archive fee to RBN, so I pay the fee because I like listening to Deanna S. on my own time, yet doing so . . . feeds the rabbi, too.
I pay for the archives cos there’s Deanna and a couple of others i like listening too .. i meant i no longer donate to a ‘fund drive’.
I hear you, Alearner. As part of that “fund drive” I gave some money and then signed up for the archive. I guess in my own mind, it was all one thing, but you make a necessary distinction, and glad I’m not the only one . . . .
Mike Hanson? Mike Hanson is an Alex Jones crony. He was Alex Jones’ cameraman and videographer for many years. He is featured extensively in Alex Jones’ Bohemian Grove video.
This is the first I’m hearing about Mike Hanson getting Peter Schaenk removed from short wave radio in Austin.
Katman, I’m surprised you don’t remember Mike Hanson and his years with Alex Jones.
Mike Hanson is associated with JoneStein?
Wow.
There is a legal principle called “Past Bad Acts”.
PAST BAD ACTS
Generally, evidence of past bad acts by a criminal defendant is not admissible to prove that the defendant is a bad person and therefore committed the crime charged. However, evidence of past bad acts will be admitted for other purposes such as to show motive, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, or absence of a mistake or accident.
So, while Hanson can’t be impeached just because he was associate with a liar like JoneStein, his association CAN be used to show show motive, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, or absence of a mistake or accident.
Hanson: Past Bad Acts.
yeh i never could figure out how jones and his crew just walked into a place full of dignitaries. one had to speculate , that the place is constantly full of cops, feds , and other security types walking around the whole area both inside and outside, yet this bozo supposedly sneaked in there. yeh sure.
and now this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WstpUUeunjU
looks like deanna is breaking bread with the enemy? just joking of course.
that goofy “book” is about a bunch of fake crap that never happened.
Thanks, high plains drifter, for the link. Looks like high expectations are building up for Deanna Spingola’s broadcast this coming Wednesday with Mike Hanson — as a result of ZionCrimeFactory’s latest interview with her and these current comments. That’s good.
Here’s Mike Hanson’s YouTube channel. He has posted a lot of old VHS video of Alex Jones that he made back when he worked for him.
https://www.youtube.com/user/MikeHansonArchives
Mike Hanson’s mother’s maiden name is “Wolff”. As most of you probably know, “Wolf/Wolff/Wolfe” is a pretty common Jewish surname in the United States. So there’s a chance that Mike Hanson himself is half-Jewish.
Thanks, Z.O.G. I seem to recall on the podcast that ZionCrimeFactory said that in fact Mike Hanson was Jewish.
i think perhaps this morning at least, a ddos attack is under way on zioncrimefactory.
i can tell by how slow connections are now or so it seems at least to me. anybody else having any problems.??
First, thanks for the kind remarks. Regarding the chemtrail issue, see the web site: http://www.whyintheworldaretheyspraying.com/ See the entire movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEfJO0-cTis
My brief referral to chemtrails had very little to do with the interview. I used it as an example and did not expect that anyone would target that topic in his/her comments. There have been numerous scientific tests made. Further, Congress sanctioned the 66 weather modification projects, using aerial spraying, currently implemented in this country. While I have talked with local farmers about their failed crops, and have taken many photos of trails, I am not qualified to set anyone straight on the chemtrail issue. I invite guests who present information so that the listeners may draw their own conclusions and research the various topics on their own.
Interestingly, Mike Hanson’s publisher contacted me and I am having him on for one hour. I often have people on the program who do not always represent my views and I attempt to treat them with respect and courtesy. People can learn a lot from such people. I thought my interviews with Jack Abramoff, Jean Smith and Frank Joseph (Francis Joseph Cohen aka Frank Collin) were all very revealing. If one wants to learn about the “opposition,” one needs to get into his/her head in a somewhat neutral, friendly environment.
Anyone who tells the truth is “flying close to the sun” and has to watch his/her back. I have had several brushes with the enemy and people who have attempted to become my handler. I am very surprised that I am still with RBN, which just shifted me back to Studio B, which apparently does not broadcast in New York except through the Internet. People would have to be very naive not to understand the implications of such an action.
I’m very surprised you are still on RBN given how Carolyn Yeager was taken off and Maggie Roddin, both were taken off and to my knowledge John Stadtmillar didn’t have the decency to tell them himself, Rick Adams moved to Studio B which is strange considering how long he’s been there, maybe his series on The Protocols had something to do with it. RBN has in my opinion gone down hill and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if you are taken off soon.
I used to contribute to RBN when they had pledge drives, but not any more.
I often wonder what Stadtmillar is really about. Too much like Jones for my liking.
yeh , like the time “certain parties unknown ” complained about your bumper music………..ha ha ..
Deanna,
I am not assaulting your work. In my opinion, you are doing a great public service.
The crop failure issue is real. The “weather modification” issue is real.
Exactly what I was getting at is this:
We have the technology that would enable a person to take a thing that looks like a small telescope and point it at a suspected “Chemtrail”.
We could get real spectral data from that and tell what its composition is.
If someone cared to do that – and they found things like Barium or other things that are clearly not kerosene combustion byproducts – you would have a case.
That case could be used to get the support of the general public.
What I have seen so far is a bunch of people making claims about “effects” – but I don’t see “proof” of the “cause” linked directly to “Chemtrails”.
We have the technology to acquire proof one way or the other.
Please don’t take anything I say as trashing you in any way whatsoever.
You are doing a great job.
Deanna,
You are in a unique position.
Like it or not – you are a “leader” in this fight.
Here is a suggestion:
You need to take on the role of “Judge Deanna”.
Your credible voice can help guide the masses through the maze of information classification and analysis.
Just as a Judge in a court proceeding does not need to be an “expert” in any particular field to preside over a system of fact finding…neither do you.
You don’t need to be a technical expert in any specific field.
All you need to do is apply Rules of Evidence to what your guests present.
You are a great host.
I see a lot of confusion out there among people who have not been trained on how to classify and analyze information to find fact and truth. They worry about claims made that are mere suspicion and not backed by proof.
Judge Deanna can help us understand how to examine claims. Claims are supported by evidence. Evidence is supported by proof. The best proof is factual evidence. Not suspicion, innuendo, or supposition.
Judege Deanna asks “what claims are you making? “What evidence do you have?” “Do you have direct evidence or indirect circumstantial evidence?” “What proof do you have that is not merely suspicion, innuendo, or supposition?”
Finally, since much of the time we are discussing Jewish crimes – we need to hold our proof to a high standard. That standard can be either a preponderance of the evidence or proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Deanna, you already have an audience that holds you in high esteem and you’re out there on the front lines. You are a leader. Why not be a Judge?
Hello ZCF,
Jon Ronson is a Jew, just thought I’d let you know…….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVn_xggdnnw
here is another helpful jew, john bush, a alexander jonestein copy, that popped up a few years ago in austin, getting involved in everything patriotard. its nice of these nice folks to come out and help us in our time of need.
Yeah, John Bush looks Jewish to me. The patriot movement is most definitely Jewish controlled.
Yes, Jon Ronson is a “British” Jew whose parents emigrated from Lithuania.
Ronson was intricately involved in Alex Jones’ “infiltration” of the Bohemian Grove in 2000. Ronson made a video documentary about the entire escapade. It was part of a muli-part series that was broadcast on British television in 2000/2001. It’s titled: Secret Rulers of the World: The Satanic Shadowy Elite.
Yeah, I’ve seen most of Jon Ronson’s documentaries, and just from his rhetoric it is obvious that he is Jewish.
Professor David Ray Griffin was brought on as script consultant, and radio host Alex Jones and Tim Sparke of Mercury Media served as executive producers. wiki
Apparently, Jones also funded Loose Change.
But then,
In what will surely be seen as a defining moment for the 9/11 truther movement, the History Channel has delivered a blow for sanity and rationalism by airing a superior documentary entitled 9/11 Conspiracies: Fact or Fiction.
The documentary took no prisoners as it destroyed almost all of the major conspiracy theories associated with 9/11 while revealing the real motivations of the truthers; that they are part of a political movement driven by raw, unreasoning hatred of George Bush, the American government, and to some extent, America itself.
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/21/911-truthers-gut-punched-by-history-channel/
Its odd that Alex was involved with Loose Change and the History Channel, but the History Channel debunked Loose Change.
Is this designed to confuse people?
Hi Pat,
No offense taken. I realize that you were educating me on the things that you know and believe. It is kind of interesting – when one looks at the foundation of many of the issues that we discuss because it would appear that the same tribe initiates many of the lethal programs and policies, such as the American Academy of Pediatrics, which advances a vaccine schedule for individuals up to the age of eighteen. Dr. James W. Rosenfeld founded that organization in 1929. If you consider the medical monopoly, one finds that Rockefeller and Carnegie hired Bernard Flexner to discredit and ultimately destroy the institutions that promoted natural therapies for diseases. Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan and Bella Abzug headed the women’s movement, a CIA-funded social engineering operation, that led to Roe v. Wade. Of course, there are hundreds of other causes and organizations in which they have an influential position. The jew problem permeates every facet of our society. About 200 of them have operated as members of Congress.
I vote to nominate you “Judge Deanna.”
You have a great voice, a great intellect and you’re fearless.
I second that vote!!!!!!!
You know what?
I’m serious.
Deanna could do this – and it is sorely needed.
Here is what will happen once Deanna becomes “Judge Deanna”…
She will essentially “hold court” on her show where the object is to have the guest make their claims.
Deanna makes the claimant provide proof of claims made. She makes it clear to the audience what kind of proof is being offered. Is is “fact”, “suspicion”, “innuendo”, “supposition” – or what?
The show can proceed as it normally does – but a framework that seeks truth is provided to the audience.
What will happen is that normally skeptical people who would not otherwise listen to this type of show — will listen. They will listen because it’s not just somebody making unsupported claims and making people nervous about stuff.
This is the next best thing to actually taking these issues to court.
It would help the rest of us understand what is real and what is not real and how to tell the difference.
It will even reveal that sometimes you can’t really tell until or unless you have more information. For example, how could you verify a claim that Adolf Hitler had a hamburger for dinner on August 14, 1940? Unfortunately, you couldn’t. Some things cannot be proven. So you stick to things that can be proven.
Thanks for your votes of confidence. The thing that I pride myself on is persuading interesting individuals to allow me to interview them, individuals like ZCF. While I did not initially find his site, I knew, after someone referred me to him, that he was a unique self-educated person with well-honed verbal skills, which are rare qualities, particularly given his age.
I just received this from a listener: “I particularly enjoy your interviews
with Zander, I’ve downloaded each one since you started with him back in
January. That guy is one brave, brilliant and articulate young man. You
2 are an amazing team. The dark side must quake in their boots each time
you hook up: the chemistry and the content are like Kryptonite to them.”
Pat, I appreciate your criteria in evaluating information: “What claims are you making?” “What evidence do you have?” “Do you have direct evidence or indirect circumstantial evidence?” “What proof do you have that is not merely suspicion, innuendo, or supposition?”
Deanna,
You have a following. And that following is consists of some pretty smart people. You also have the talent and ability to put a real hurt on the criminal network – simply through the strength of your presentation and personality. A rare combination.
I have listened to lots of different shows. At this point, you are on my short list.
I am not proposing that you create a contentious atmosphere for your guests – but if they are sincere and can back up what they are saying – you, as Judge, can bring that out and make it clear.
For example, lets say you have me on your show to talk about something claim I’m making that relates to my specific expertise. You make me work. You don’t just let me say this and that without having to back it up – with proof. The minute you force some proof out of me – you hit me again.. is that proof a “fact” – or did I offer some bullshit as proof in hopes that nobody would call me out on it?
If I am the real deal, I can provide factual proof of what I say and I can demonstrate that to you. I may also provide other types of supporting proof that don’t meet the same high standards of “fact” to help my case.
All of this is being presented to the audience – who is actually the Jury.
If you wanted, you could even have people vote on the claims made via email. And you could read out the verdict. LOL
I think it would be both amusing and enlightening. I’ll tell you what – if I was a shyster … I would avoid your show like the plague.
@Pat
September 15, 2012 at 3:18 pm
It seems you are anxious to invite yourself on Deanna`s show?
I am sure she admires your “scientific” approach as much as I
do, but before you grant her an interview how about answering
her questions? – if for no other reason then perhaps to extend
basic courtesy to her?
The audience participation angle could work out well on several different levels.
Yes, ZCF is top notch as far as intellect goes.
Not only that, you have to have some serious guts to get out there in front like both of you do.
Your interviews with ZCF are the best, in my opinion.
Thank you both for this courageous interview! We in Germany couldn’t talk official about jewish lies and crimes, cause we got 4 upto 12 years in prison (§139StGB), but we do it anyway, more and more!
Good luck for your book, looking forward to it, too…
Pat sounds like a typical troll to me. just don’t feed them, lol.
Hi, Quex.
Did you take your name from the Third Reich movie “Hitlerjunge Quex”?
http://www.nazi.org.uk/video.htm
Quex,
What does a typical troll sound like?
A typical troll sounds like “Pat”, Ben!
That’s not fair, Steve F.., though I think you’re just being funny. If not, you’ve just created yourself a tautology or a circular definition. A is B. What is B? Answer: A.
Have you ever experienced a schooner busting through a Bay full of fishing and row boats? Leaves a big wake in its trail and lots of boats lose balance in the waves. . . . There’s quakes and wakes and then the calm is restored once it disappears . . . Ever experience that?
Yes, Ben…..I was just being funny.
I was being “funny” because I thought your “What does a typical troll sound like?” was a stupid question.
How long have you been in the Truth movement, Ben?
Don’t you know what a troll “sounds” like?
You say I’ve created a tautology, but you’re wrong, Ben; the “tautology” is just an illusion created by your own ignorance.
You gave the example of:
A is B. What is B? Answer: A.
But that is not a proper example, because Quex is addressing people who KNOW what a “typical troll” “sounds” like.
In case you’re new to the Truth movement, I’ll give you an example of what a troll might sound like, although not a “typical” troll:
“Have you ever experienced a schooner busting through a Bay full of fishing and row boats? Leaves a big wake in its trail and lots of boats lose balance in the waves. . . . There’s quakes and wakes and then the calm is restored once it disappears . . . Ever experience that?”
Are you catching on, Ben?
Oh, you mean YOU’RE a troll! Yes, I get it!
Yes, I get attacked quite often. ZCF gets attacked quite often also.
We get attacked by members of the same group.
What a coincidence.
@Pat
September 16, 2012 at 8:30 am
Don`t worry about all the attacks, Pat, that happens to all great
leaders – you are a great leader, aren`t you? Just think of Putin
and pussy riots, I think that will make you feel better!
They were cowards. They came at night when they knew you weren’t around and started their vicious gossip-fest and put-downs. Like high-school girl bullies.
Easy way to spot hasbarats: They frequently use the words “ignorance” and “ignorant” when responding to people who actually know what they are talking about.
Who says Jews don’t create anything in America ? I just got into an argument w/ a 20 yr. old moron who is an avowed Communist , thinks Zionism is saving America , thinks 19 Muslims with box cutters brought down the towers at the speed of gravity because of ‘fire’ , thinks OBL died last year and thinks I am hurting America by saying Israeli Scum controls America ! See , Jews create Amerikan Communists in just 2 generations ! Like they’re on a fuckin’ assembly line ! I had to walk away.This dude was hopeless.Billy
How’d you get into the argument, mossad did 911? What was the stumbling block that couldn’t be overcome? Was it a matter of evidence or reasoning? You’re funny when you write “Who says Jews don’t create anything in America.”
I was listening to Mike Delaney tonight on a recent podcast addressing 9/11, and he had one interviewer tell him that he changed a guy’s mind who had been totally status quo simply by giving him the link to Delaney’s “The Missing Link” video. The guy, too, was a 20-something guy. Any possibility this 20 yr. old would watch Delaney’s film?
It’s shocking to find a 20-year-old with his mind made up these days.
Ben , this guy was too far gone. Everything the Jew media told him was the Gods honest truth.He did not want to be bothered with facts. Coincidentally , there was another guy who was walking by and joined in the argument who knew Jews did 9/11 but this a hole just decides to laugh at both of us ! Billy
You never know. Even just being confronted by someone like you, Billy, might stay with this a hole for a long time, because you may have been the first to have really tried to “crack” open his mind from the mental slavery. You could have planted a seed without even knowing. You never know.
Hello ZCF,
feedback on the question on Libya:
Ghadaffi committed several “sin” which the jewsih emoire punished, to show their are still in control. They tried to show the world the punishment for rebellion, was intimidation to any nation.
Ghadaffi put tons of money into building africa, forming bonds.
He build without any western money or company the “great man made river”. A water project giving the sahara nations clean free water.
As oil contracts ran out, he wanted to renegotiate the terms and conditions, eventually refusing to trade in dollar. But the ultimate “sin” was the plan to introduce a gold backed curreny in africa, the gold dinar. The IWF(read their statutes on gold) and the mafia had to strike, they control the gold via CoL.
Planned was the Libya looting by this criminal:
(quick and dirty wiki link, you will find on him better info elsewhere)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard-Henri_L%C3%A9vy
Jew Sarkozy took a nice extra “pension” this way.
The criminal providing the French aggression part in Syria is now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurent_Fabius
War alliance UN appointed this guy, after they basically abused and ripped his ass of their asset CIA stooge Kofi Annan:
” is an Algerian veteran United Nations envoy and advisor. He is also a member of The Elders, a group of world leaders working for global peace.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakhdar_Brahimi
“Former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas referred in a book he published entitled “Coups et blessures” (Assaults and Injuries), that “The “Israelis” are doing whatever they want in France, and are controlling the French Intelligence with what serves them”.
http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=255953
I forgot, Ghadaffi’s Libya was enjoying a life standard, the highest in Africa, comparable of the of Croatia.
People had free electricity, govt supported families and education, they were jew wise, and now, the jews have turned it in a totally destroyed hell hole. Militias fighting each other, total chaos, death, kidnappings, killings
Benghazi, where they killed the enemy of the Libyan people, was the hot bed of western invasion, and half the residents fled the city after the terrorists took over the city. So it can be speculated if this was an assassination of either og the green resistance or a kill of a corrupt asset who made too much his own business from the looting.
One last thing, read Ghadaffi’s “green book”, reminds of some other book.
The dude may have looked a bit nuts, but he was a highly intelligent person, and made an almost prophetic speech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nupDw4xn4xY
Note how Assad is laughing, knowing Ghadaffi is 100% right.
Note the muffled laughter when Ghadaffi mentioned that only one of those in attendance could meet the same fate as Saddam Hussein.
That video highlighted the Jewish divide-and-conquer strategy in the Arab world.
We can look forward to an increasingly fractured and divided society here if we continue to allow the Jews to remain in power. Divide and conquer is their game.
I meant “any” one of those in attendance.
“it’s the same fanaticism that you see storming your embassies today. You want these fanatics to have nuclear weapons?” Netanyahu asked in the NBC interview,
Reuters.com
So, Netanyahu is rubbing some salt into the wounds, using the analogy of the embassy attacks to further convince Obama the U.S. should strike now. That makes it highly suspicious that Israel is behind these attacks. The film maker was an Israeli Jew but that was reported as a ‘mistake’. So one day after Obama cancels his meeting with Netanyahoo, embassies get run over with inside knowledge and advanced warnings, and not only is the Jew behind the massacre discovered, but the media quickly covers up his nationality, saying the director was really an Egyptian Christian. Sure.
do you remember a few years ago, parties unknown fired missles off the coast of california and texas? nothing much was ever said about it. yet someone in submarines fired missles off of our coasts. who was it that did this? i think the israelis did it as a warning to us. the yids due to espionage etc know all of our codes etc . so i figure they could sneak up around our country and do such things . no problem. after all, the germans have provided those pricks with 4 high tech quiet submarines complete with cruise missiles.
And the sockpuppet Patrick Buchanon, with all the qualities that show he can be bought, (MICE, money, ideology,. compromise,. ego) just told the Jew-allied FOX network reporter, how awful it is that most Arabs do not think that Arabs did 9/11, showing that those Arabs are much, much smarter and honest than he who stole the Reform Party, Pat Buchanan, is.
Someone just linked this video on Incogman, I thought you’d all enjoy Alex Jonestein’s panic stricken interjections to try and stop Dr Steve Pieczenik from speaking about the “you know who’s”.
At the very end he sounds like he’s pleading for mercy from his handlers and jew controllers in apology for the Dr’s comments forcing the argument against the juden.
The last 5 mins are particularly enjoyable for a goy like me.
Someone just linked this video on Incogman, I thought you’d all enjoy Alex Jonestein’s panic stricken interjections to try and stop Dr Steve Pieczenik from speaking about the “you know who’s”.
At the very end he sounds like he’s pleading for mercy from his handlers and jew controllers in apology for the Dr’s comments forcing the argument against the juden.
The last 5 mins are particularly enjoyable for a goy like me.
The “href” html tag didn’t work for me last time, so here it is:
Sounds to me that Dr Steve Pieczenik believes in the holohoax
Of course, how else is he allowed on jewtalk radio, personally I simply enjoyed talk of holocaust 2, it may make up for the complete absence of the first one.
Think about it, the pain we collectively have suffered from the jew lies about the holocaust should leave us in credit, plus interest.
How soon do we collect is the question.
Personally i’d rather focus on those responsible not innocent people.
its a hard thing to say and to fathom. who was it that said one time, let him who has not sinned cast the first stone. i can say this and i have said it before on other blogs etc, when the stuff hits the fan and i figure it will sooner or later, and if i were to fall in with some skinhead types or whatever and they go around killing and murdering etc, i for one won’t like it but i will not say anything about it either. their anger is justified. in the end, i will dance with who brung me………….i have no choice in the matter.
There is always a choice.
well when the stuff hits the fan, i have concluded i have made my choice.
and it goes like this.
black is beautiful
tan is grand
but white is the color
of the big bossman.
I agree. His reference was to Hitler and the “holocaust” that he (supposedly) was to the Jews in the 20th century.
But then Pieczenik is a Jew; he cannot go too far off the beaten path. He’s a “good Jew” (now, at this point, in his life) informing on a “bad Jew” (Netanyahu). That’s all. But the Jew remains part of or integrated with his religious tribe. The “spew” of propaganda just continues.
to use an analogy, in vietnam, arvn troops would go out with american troops , sometimes, in search and destroy missions etc. when you got into a sticky wicket, and arvn was on your flank , you would look over there and see nva flooding in because arvn had de-assed the area. so nobody trusted arvn , never.
so in a similar notion, we have helpful jews coming out now, saying this and that, and seeming to be quite helpful, but do i trust them. nope. when jews are on my flank, i will have eyes on my flank at all times .
Listening to that i am reminded why i haven’t listened to Jones for years now – that voice is enough to drive anyone nuts
i think he got like that because all those years yelling in a bullhorn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpGXD86-MMY
jonestein talks to one of his personal heroes, fritz springmeier . this is another one of those guys who goes around saying he was set up by the feds. yeh sure. perhaps it may not be too popular but i am going to take the other side of that statement. i think he did it and the cops caught him red handed. i have to ask, why would the feds or anyone else waste one moment of time running around worrying about fritz springmeier, just some bozo patriotard running around talking about everything but j street. if this guy was about j street, there is no way he would be on jonestein central, matter of fact if his book was anything about j street, jonestein would not have paid for it to be published. one time , a long time ago, i bought this book and read it. it has absolutely no footnotes. none. i found it to be disjointed and convoluted and disorganized and in the final summation, a waste of time. so a guy like springmeier is quite welcome in the palatial environs of jonestein central , located deep within the house of jones in the gated community, paid for by patriotards.
“Bloodlines of the Illuminati”
by Fritz Springmeier – (c) 1995
Oh Springmeier talks smack about J-Street Alright:
“Cromwell was financed by Jews, and helped the Jews gain power in England. Cromwell was willing to go along with the Jews, because he became convinced of British Israelism. Since the core of the conspiracy of power is Jewish, the attitude of those allied with it hinges on their attitude toward the
Jewish people.
The religious idea that the British people are descended from the tribes of Israel doesn’t automatically place people into the camp of the conspiracy. Some of the British-Israelites realize that the so called Jewish people in general have no claim over the promises of God. For that reason, they realize that it is not the Christian duty to bow and scrape at their every move. When Christians can be arrested in Israel and abused, and Christians will not even stand up for their own kind, we can see how much hold the idea of the “Chosen Race” theory has over Christendom. Some of the British Israelites such as the Mormons, the old New England wealthy families such as make up the Order, some Masons and New Agers, and the non-Jewish members of the Priuere de Sion are collaborating with the One- World-Power. The anglican church which is run by the Freemasons is strongly British Israelistic.”
Problem is though he also talks smack about just about any and everybody else…
For example when he starts talking unsubstantiated smack about My Men:
Walt Disney, Benjamin Franklin, etc. he loses credibility w/me real fast…
Fritz Springmeier = Disinfoer/Obfuscator/Agent/Nut/…Or What?
Who Knows…
Reading Springmeier is like a flash bomb of truths, half-truths, lies, and half-lies, all splattering against the page at once.
Total Rabbi Jone$tein crowd confuse/control stuff to me.
What do you think Ben/Pat?
Perhaps he’s simply been lacking one of Pat’s fact-based “Flow Charts!”
I have not looked into this guy you mentioned. But, just as a word of caution: If anyone ever tries to “convince” you of something – be very, very skeptical.
Please note that ZCF does NOT attempt to do this.
ZCF is very intellectually honest.
ZCF knows how to apply logic and how to find “fact”.
ZCF will come right out and tell you if a given piece of information is unsubstantiated, conjecture, suspicion, innuendo – or whatever it is.
This is one of the things that sets him apart from others.
Here’s something to consider. I ran into a couple of people who were standing on the street corner campaigning to unseat Obama. I asked them why they were doing this. I asked them if they knew anything about Romney. They indicated that they knew Romney was a shill.
Then I asked them what organization they were working for. They said it was some kind of Lyndon Larouche thing.
I then re-stated my question to them. I asked ” hey- if you know Obama is a shill and you know Romney is a shill — who benefits from your work to unseat Obama? From where I sit – it looks like the Romney camp benefits.
That really confused them.
LOL
lyndon la rouche. ? how old is that man now? seems like he has been around forever. those people always have their table set up in front of the county court annex or wherever. giving out their little informational tracts and stuff. this is another group that attached itself for whatever reason to what i guess can be called the patriot movement. i remember when that dirt bag( dear old lyndon) was sent to prison because he was stealing credit card numbers from little old ladies.
Yes. I know what you mean. The guys I talked to said Lyndon was into his 90′s.
So it seems that the Larouche organization has been hijacked by the usual suspects.
Very sad because the guys I spoke with seems to have their heart in the right place – except misguided.
I guess there is a lot of that out there.
People don’t seem to know how to apply critical thinking very well these days.
Lyndon Larouche appeared on Alex JoneStein of September 7th, 2012.
Among other notable brown nuggets that spewed from Larouche’s face in his talk with JoneStein, he actually said this:
“I think there are only two major sources of threat. One is the British Monarchy and the other is the British Monarchy’s puppet which is Obama.”
http://larouchepac.com/larouche
I think that about sums up all you need to know about Lyndon Larouche and his clownish Jew puppet persona.
Larouche is a geriatric former political cult leader. Fortunately, his kosher certified cult disintegrated many years ago and is now all but dead.
lyndon larouche on the alex jones show? doesn’t that just take the cake? lol…
Webster Tarpley is basically Lyndon Larouche’s “Mini Me.” Tarpley appears on Rabbi Jone$tein’s “Info Wars” religiously.
Sorry if I misspelled Tarpley- I’ve got no respect for such cons who blame everything on the “Anglo-Americans” and their British Crown Cohorts [Queen Elizabeth is Jewish BTW] …Blah Blah Blah…Kosher Poltergeists…
Wake up- it’s the JEWS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2KZJORSbfA&feature=player_embedded#!
this one is for deanna to play on her show. lol !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=EhOtKbAIDVI
uncle miltie is a chrome dome. who knew? he sure is a lot friendlier to people on the street than he is to people on his blog.
Pingback: ZCF smashes Jews and strangles Alex Jones on Spingola (Sept. 14 2012) | JewishProblem.com
ZCF
I thought you might appreciate this article
http://hardons-blog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/episode-239-tila-tequila-another-guest.html